Sophia Pate ( page two )



Page 2 starts with the group leaving Ireland on an adventure that would change all there lives. How many soles where there in the Group when they left Ireland on “Neptune”. The number Keeps changing ,most articles say 25 I have 23 .

I think most articles written after the Ship wreck used the following documents to verify there information but I also think parts of them are wrong

The next 4 documents (some of the documents are 3 or 4 pages each ) were all found in the Alexander Turnbull Library in Wellington New Zealand. They are part of a group of documents that make up the old land claim documents. These documents where all used as evidence in each of the 3 land claims put in by
James Salter claim disallowed
Dr Richard Day claim disallowed
and George Stannard who appeared before the commissioner but declined to pay the fee so there was no case granted
 but the documents help to confirm information  so I'm using them when I need to verify information I have or information from other sources

OLC 744 4
OLC 744 3
OLC 744 2
OLC 744 1
In a letter held at Wellington Archives NZ written by Richard Day states, “In December 1840, the party consisting of twenty five individuals including servants and children sailed from Plymouth
Also in the same document “Your memorialist being prevented by sickness from accompanying them”

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This letter written by Dr Richard Day says there are 25 individuals but James Salter didnt bring his wife he came with a Miss Salter ,his sister not a Mrs Salter his wife and he only had 8 children not 10 and the “Neptune” passenger list confirmed this

The second part I have marked “Your memorialist being prevented by sickness from accompanying them” means owing to illness Richard Day was unable to accompany them, but he would come to New Zealand at a later date.

What property did the group take with them,they were leaving successful business and going to a remote British colony ,If it was me I would be taking everything
In addition to the group’s large amount of personal property, James Salter took out a considerable quantity of plate and John Stuart Wilkinson (senior) also had gold and a large amount of cash

All this had to be taken to New Zealand , some would have been brought in Ireland some in Sydney and some in New Zealand, also the group were devout Wesleyans who would start the settlement and by mutual co-operation find the means of starting a domestic, social and religious community in the expectation of being shortly followed by several more like-minded families. They had to make a Community , buildings, farms, roads churches ect . I haven’t found any records to say that the church helped with costs but they may have.
Firstly they needed all the things for the sale of the land so they would have to make sure from day one that they had all of these things not just hope they could get them on the way. Also they would need to bring with them enough food to last them the time it took to grow enough food. They could have picked up the food , cattle livestock ect from Sydney. Even though they brought with them Plate ,Gold and cash so they could buy some of the things they needed but they were going to a remote British colony , things would have been more expensive and if they needed something because of its remoteness it would have taken weeks to get something they needed. There was a timber industry in the area but it would all have to come by ship I don’t think there were that many roads

The Following Document helps to confirm that John Wilkinson (Senior) had cash and gold with him 

OLC 744 25
OLC 744 24
OLC 744 23
In another letter held at Wellington Archives NZ, written by Richard Day MD it is reported that “I have also been impressed that Mr Wilkinson was urged by his friends to lodge his money in the Bank at Auckland but that he declined doing so and took the whole of it with him in the Sophia Pate and that the fact that his body not having been found is to be attributed to him having secured to his person a large amount of gold when he expected to have been put on shore in the long boat after the vessel struck , this conjecture is derived from circumstances stated by the surviving child.”


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Another document to help with finding out what they took or brought on the way. The good thing about these documents is they are first hand information from people that had something to do with the Shipwreck.

OLC 744 35
OLC 744 34
OLC 744 33
OLC 744 32
OLC 744 31
Held at Wellington Archives NZ a letter by George Stannard he quotes
“When we left Sydney for New Zealand in the Brig Sophia Pate the late
Mr Wilkinson had all his property onboard in goods, cash and cattle. When we arrived at Auckland our long and unexpected delay there made it very expensive and indeed nigh impossible to procure food for the cattle on board In consequence of which Mr Wilkinson exchanged his, consisting of a cow & 3 heifers for a small building lot in Albert Street & Bull also in proprietory of which he was joined with Mr Slater was left in charge of Mr Croker of Auckland with a power to dispose of it for the benefit of the owners. With these exceptions the entire of Mr Wilkinsons property was lost in the wreck, at the time the Brig struck the passengers expected to be put ashore in the long boat and I learned from the lad saved that he saw his Father, his money the assignment obtained in Auckland and some of their papers on his person and as his body was not found these of course were irretrievably lost,”


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OLC 774 36
OLC 774 37
OLC 744 38
According to a letter dated 30th April 1841, held at Wellington Archives NZ & signed by Wilkinson, Salter & Stannard and sent to
The Honourable The Colonial Secretary concerning the land they were purchasing at Kaipara from the Native Chief Parore. They state
Seeing by Sydney papers that a bill was in progress relating to New Zealand a clause of which required that claims should be lodged within a given period. We wrote to the Right Honourable the Secretary for the Colonies for advices and received his Lordship answer-bearing date 25th November stating that his Lordship was not aware said bill had passed into law. We left Cork five days after and being on shipboard until 19th inst. We had no opportunity of preferring our claims until the present period. We therefore humbly hope that the provision in the clause of said act which extends a longer day to persons out of the colony will be considered as applicable to our circumstances.”


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We left Cork five days after (date referred to being 25th November 1840) and being on shipboard until 19th inst. (19th April 1841)
This help to date when the Neptune left Cork ie 30th of November and arriving in Sydney the 19th April 1841



According to information obtained from research, the Neptune left from Gravesend 29th November 1840 for Port Philip, calling at Plymouth. From the Wilkinson history sheet it appears that the group boarded the Neptune at Plymouth. But I would have thought that they left from Cork
Cork is situated on the Coast & its port has always been one of the main ports of Ireland. For all the gear that the families were bringing out it would make sense that they loaded it directly onto the Neptune at Cork.


I haven’t been able to find any records that they left Cork prier to getting on the Neptune and joined the ship at Plymouth
Interesting enough on a subsequent trip to Australia the Neptune commenced its voyage at Gravesend London, calling at Plymouth etc and then sailed onto Dublin & Cork then onto Port Philip Irish were the largest numbers of immigrants going to Australia, hence the reason why ships would call into Ireland after leaving England
My thinking is that they sailed from Cork Ireland not Plymouth England






 
neptune 3
Lloyds Register of British and Foreign shipping
From 1st july 1841 to the 30th june 1842
Neptune was a ship
Master of the Neptune was Ferris
Tons 644
Built where Calcutta
Built when 1814
Owners was Mangl`s &
Belonging to London
Destined voyage London.Sydney
Agent was Agents Messrs Thomas Enscor & James
Iron Bolt sheathed with Marine Metal and Teak


This is all the information I have on the Neptune as the Lloyds Register is very hard to read




4 481300125
4 481300126
4 481300127
4 481300128
4 481300129
4 481300130
4 481300131
4 481300132
4 481300133
Neptune 29 March 1841





Public records office Victoria
www.prov.vic.gov.au
Index to Registers of Assisted British Immigrants 1839-1871



































Family Name
First Name
Age
Month
Year
Ship
Book
Page
ASHMORE
HENRY
23
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
413
BAIS
JOHN
18
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
413
BEAHAN
HONORA
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
424
BEECH
AMELIA
20
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
407
BEECH
THOMAS
21
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
407
BEHAN
HONORA
27
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
419
BLAIR
MARIA
1
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
407
BLAIR
MARY ANN
24
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
407
BLAIR
WM
32
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
407
BLAKE
F W MR
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
BOLDWIN
CATH
25
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
407
BOLDWIN
JAMES
31
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
407
BOWEN
MARGT
18
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
419
BRIERIS
ANN
23
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
407
BRIERIS
THOS
25
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
407
BROWN
JOHN SURG SUPT
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
424
BUCKLAND
---- MRS
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
BUCKLAND
C MR
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
BUCKLAND
ELIZABETH MISS
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
BUCKLAND
HENRY MASTER
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
BUCKLAND
MARY
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
BUCKLAND
THEOPHIL
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
BULLEN
CATH
16
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
419
BULLEN
ELIZA
24
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
419
BURN
BRIDGET
22
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
407
BURN
ELLEN
17
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
419
BURN
JAMES
36
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
407
BURN
WM
1
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
407
BURROWS
MATHEW
25
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
413
CALLAGHAN
PHILIP
23
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
413
CAMPBELL
CATH
21
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
419
CARTY
BIDDY
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
424
CARTY
BIDDY
16
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
419
CASEY
THERESA
18
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
419
COCHLAN
DAVID
31
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
407
COCHLAN
ELLEN
1
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
407
COCHLAN
MARGT
22
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
407
COLLINS
JOHN
24
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
413
COLLINS
MATHEW
29
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
413
COLLINS
MICHL
18
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
413
COMB
EMMA
19
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
419
COMERFORD
JOHN
20
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
413
COMERFORD
WILLIAM
23
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
413
COMPTON
ALICE
24
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
407
COMPTON
GEORGE
21
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
413
COMPTON
JOHN
24
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
407
CONNELL
ELLEN
20
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
419
COUGHLIN
MARGT
25
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
419
COUSINS
RICHARD
22
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
413
COUSINS
WILLIAM
28
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
413
CRESEY
THOS CREW
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
424





































Family Name
First Name
Age
Month
Year
Ship
Book
Page
CROGAN
CATH
17
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
419
CROWE
JERRY
24
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
413
CUMMERFORD
CATH
21
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
419
CURRAN
SUSAN
28
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
419
DALEY
THOS
28
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
415
DAVIS
MARYANN
18
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
419
DIVETT
CHAS
21
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
415
DONAGHOE
MARGT
21
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
419
DOUGHERTY
MARGT
27
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
419
DOUGHERTY
MARY
22
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
419
DUGGAN
T J CREW
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
424
DUNOYER
---- MR
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
DUNOYER
---- MRS
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
DUNOYER
ALBERT
5
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
DUNOYER
ALBERT
5
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
407
DUNOYER
CHARLOTTE
30
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
407
DUNOYER
FANNY
3
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
407
DUNOYER
FANNY
3
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
DUNOYER
JOHN
36
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
407
DURDIN
CHAS MR
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
DWYER
JOHN
20
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
415
DWYER
MARY
20
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
419
DWYER
PATRICK
21
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
415
EGAN
MARTIN
21
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
415
ELLIS
ANNITT
9
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
407
ELLIS
CHARLES
11
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
407
ELLIS
CHAS
33
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
407
ELLIS
ELISHA
28
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
407
ELLIS
JOHN
5
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
407
ELLIS
STEPHEN
18
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
415
ELLIS
THOS
7
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
407
ENGLISH
MICHL
23
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
415
FINAGAN
ARTHUR
20
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
415
FOLDER
THEOPHILUS
19
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
419
FOLEY
JOHN
25
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
415
FOSTER
JOHN MR
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
FOSTER
W L MR
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
FOX
---- FAMILY WITH
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
424
FOX
JOHN
7
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
407
FOX
MARY
6
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
407
FOX
MARY
28
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
407
FOX
RICHD
29
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
407
FOX
RICHD
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
424
FOYLAN
ESTHER
20
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
419
FOYLAN
MARY
22
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
419
FULTON
ELIZABETH
18
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
409
FULTON
WILLIAM
22
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
409
GALEPSY
ISABELLA
22
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
409
GALEPSY
JAS
23
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
409
GALLAGHER
MICHL
22
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
417
GAMBLE
JANE
16
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
419





































Family Name
First Name
Age
Month
Year
Ship
Book
Page
GAMBLE
JANE
16
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
419
GANNON
ANN
26
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
409
GANNON
ESTHER
I
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
409
GANNON
JAS
27
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
409
GARD
---- MRS
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
GARD
ANN MISS
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
GARD
MARY MISS
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
GARD
WM MR
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
GEARON
MARY
20
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
419
GERMON
MARY
23
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
409
GERMON
WM
23
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
409
GLASS
HUGH
25
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
415
GLASS
JAMES P
23
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
415
GLYNNE
---- MR
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
GOVERS
MARIA
19
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
419
GUNNEY
JOHN
21
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
415
GURNEY
ANN
19
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
419
HAMMOND
HELEN
23
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
409
HAMMOND
JOSEPH
23
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
409
HAMMOND
MARY
1
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
HAMMOND
MARY
1
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
409
HANNON
ANN
19
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
419
HAROLD
ISABELLA
17
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
419
HARRISON
HENRY
25
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
415
HEFFERMAN
WINIFRED
20
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
419
HUGGINS
PAT
26
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
415
INGLIS
ELLEN
29
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
419
IRVINE
MARY
21
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
419
JAMIS
ALEX
25
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
415
JORDAN
JOHN
23
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
409
JORDAN
MARY
20
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
409
KEARLEY
ANN
27
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
421
KEARLEY
THOS
27
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
415
KEARNEY
SAML
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
424
KEARNEY
SAMUEL
22
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
415
KELLAGHAR
FANNY
20
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
419
KELLY
JAS
19
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
415
KENNY
JAMES
23
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
415
KERBY
CATHARINE
28
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
409
KERBY
FANNY
4
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
409
KERBY
MARY
9
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
409
KERBY
PETER
1
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
409
KERBY
THOS
7
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
409
KERBY
WILLIAM
32
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
409
KING
CATHARINE
I
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
409
KING
JOHN
26
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
409
KING
MARY
21
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
409
KINGLAKE
C W DR
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
LAMB
ANN
22
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
409
LAMB
WM
26
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
409
LANE
JAMES
25
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
415







































Family Name
First Name
Age
Month
Year
Ship
Book
Page
LANE
JAMES
25
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
415
LANE
PATK
26
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
415
LANHAM
MARY
20
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
421
LARCIN
MARY
26
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
421
LARIME
ANN
21
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
421
LARIME
GEORGIANA
16
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
421
LARIMER
MARY JANE
19
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
421
LARRYMORE
C MRS
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
LARRYMORE
MARTIN HUGH
12
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
LUCK
ROBT
23
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
415
LYNCH
JULIA
20
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
421
MACKAY
ALEXR CREW
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
424
MADIGAN
JOHN
20
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
415
MADIGAN
MARY
18
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
421
MAGRAH
CATH
20
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
421
MAGRATH
JOHN
23
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
409
MAGRATH
JOHN
I
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
409
MAGRATH
MARY
22
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
409
MAGUIRE
THOS
24
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
415
MALONEY
MATHEW
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
424
MALONY
DANL
20
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
415
MALONY
DENIS
38
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
409
MALONY
HELENA
7
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
409
MALONY
JERRY
24
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
415
MALONY
MARY
38
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
409
MALONY
THOS
22
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
415
MANNOX
ANN
21
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
409
MANNOX
MARY
2
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
409
MANNOX
SAML
28
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
409
MARONY
MATHEW
19
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
415
MARTIN
CATH
20
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
421
MARTIN
JOHN
21
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
415
MATHEWS
ANN
19
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
421
MCARTY
JOHN
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
424
MCCARTHY
---- WIFE WITH
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
424
MCCARTHY
JOHN
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
424
MCCARTHY
JOHN
34
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
411
MCCARTHY
MARY
24
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
411
MCCARTY
---- WIFE WITH
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
424
MCCARTY
DENIS
19
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
415
MCCARTY
JOHN
28
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
411
MCCARTY
MARGT
25
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
411
MCCARTY
PATK
29
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
415
MCCASSELL
MARYANN
19
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
421
MCCREEVY
MARY
26
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
421
MCDIVOT
MARY
17
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
421
MCDURNOCK
MARGT
20
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
411
MCDURNOCK
PATK
28
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
411
MCFARLANE
SARAH
18
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
421
MCGRATH
---- INFANT WITH
I
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
424
MCGRATH
---- WIFE WITH
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
424





































Family Name
First Name
Age
Month
Year
Ship
Book
Page
MCGRATH
---- WIFE WITH
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
424
MCGRATH
JOHN
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
424
MCLACHLAN
MICHL
26
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
417
MCNALLY
CATH
20
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
421
MCNAMARA
MARY
25
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
421
MCNAMARA
MICHL
24
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
417
MCNERNY
MICHL
25
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
417
MEAGHAN
CATH
18
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
421
MEAGHAR
ANN
22
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
421
MEAGHER
BRIDGET
20
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
421
MEIGHAN
MARY
22
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
421
MILLER
DAVID
1
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
411
MILLER
MARY JANE
21
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
411
MILLER
WILLIAM
23
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
411
MILLIGAN
CATH
17
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
421
MILLIGAN
GEORGE
24
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
415
MOLLONY
MATHEW
28
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
415
MOLONE
MARY
20
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
421
MOLONY
MARIA
15
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
421
MORONY
JOHN
21
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
417
MORONY
JUDY
21
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
421
MORONY
MARGT
17
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
421
MORRISON
JOHN
20
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
415
MULCREAVY
MARTIN
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
424
MULCREEVY
MARTIN
20
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
417
MULHUE
PATK
23
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
417
MULLAN
CATH
17
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
421
MULLUIS
JOHN
21
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
417
MULVAHIL
MARY
26
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
411
MULVAHIL
PATK
24
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
411
MUNNYMAN
BIDDY
20
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
411
MUNNYMAN
GEORGE
22
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
411
MURRY
VERE
22
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
417
MYRRATT
ELIZABETH
25
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
411
MYRRATT
ROBERT
30
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
411
OBRIEN
CATH
20
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
421
OBRIEN
MICHL
22
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
417
ORR
MARY
27
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
411
ORR
WILLIAM
27
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
411
PELET
---- MADAME
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
PELET
---- MISS
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
PERROTT
THOS MR
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
PHYLAN
JAMES
21
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
417
POWALL
ANN
20
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
421
POWELL
CARMAR
38
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
411
POWELL
CORNELIUS
19
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
417
POWELL
DENIS
11
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
411
POWELL
ELLEN
30
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
411
POWELL
JOHN
18
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
417
POWELL
MARGT
I
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
411
POWELL
MARIA
6
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
411






































Family Name
First Name
Age
Month
Year
Ship
Book
Page
POWELL
MARIA
6
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
411
POWELL
MARTIN
3
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
411
POWELL
MICHL
15
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
411
POWELL
PATK
13
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
411
POWER
JOHN
23
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
417
QUINN
BARTHOL
22
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
417
QUINN
JOHN
27
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
417
RAINBOW
HY
19
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
417
REGAN
MARY
20
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
421
RHYAN
JOHN
18
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
417
RILEY
BERNARD
24
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
411
RILEY
MARIA
20
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
411
ROSSITER
THOS
20
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
417
RUTH
PATRICK
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
RYAM
BRIDGET
19
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
423
RYAM
MARGT
25
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
421
RYAM
MARGT
20
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
421
RYAM
MARY
24
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
421
RYAN
---- CHILDREN WITH
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
424
RYAN
---- SON WITH
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
424
RYAN
---- WIFE WITH
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
424
RYAN
---- WIFE WITH
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
424
RYAN
CATHARINE
20
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
411
RYAN
CORNELIUS
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
424
RYAN
CORNELIUS
24
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
411
RYAN
JAMES
3
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
411
RYAN
JAS
3
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
RYAN
JOHANNA
25
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
411
RYAN
JOHN
4
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
413
RYAN
JOHN
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
424
RYAN
JOHN
29
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
413
RYAN
MARY
7
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
413
RYAN
MARY
29
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
413
RYAN
MATHEW
26
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
411
RYAN
RODY
9
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
413
SALTER
EDWD
I
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
SALTER
GEORGE
7
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
SALTER
JAS
14
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
SALTER
JAS MR
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
SALTER
JOHN
10
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
SALTER
MARIA
3
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
SALTER
MARY
13
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
SALTER
MATILDA
11
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
SALTER
SARAH MISS
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
SALTER
WM
15
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
SEYMORE
WM
24
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
417
SHEA
MARY
25
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
423
SHEEDY
NORA
23
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
423
SHEEDY
PATK
22
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
417
SHIELD
JAS THOS
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
STANHART
CHRISTIANA
30
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
413






































Family Name
First Name
Age
Month
Year
Ship
Book
Page
STANHART
CHRISTIANA
30
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
413
STANHART
GEO
26
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
413
STAPLETON
PATK
22
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
417
STAYSAY
THOS
20
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
417
STEWARD
ARTHUR
5
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
413
STEWARD
CATH
28
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
413
STEWARD
CHARLES
28
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
413
STEWARD
MARY
1
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
413
STOKES
ANN
25
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
423
STUART
ARTHUR
5
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
STUART
MARY
1
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
SWAN
CATH
20
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
423
SWEENY
DANL
24
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
417
TAYLOR
WM
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
TOUGHY
MICHL
22
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
417
TUCKER
---- CHILDREN WITH
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
424
TUCKER
---- WIFE WITH
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
424
TUCKER
JOSEPH
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
424
TUCKER
JOSEPH
26
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
413
TUCKER
MARTHA
I
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
413
TUCKER
MARY
2
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
413
TUCKER
SUSAN
28
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
413
WEBB
JOHN
27
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
417
WEBB
JOHN
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
424
WEBSTER
SAMUEL
28
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
417
WHEELAN
HUGH
22
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
417
WHITLY
HARRY MR
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
WHITNEY
ANN
16
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
423
WIGGINS
ELIZABETH
19
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
423
WIGGINS
MARY
20
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
423
WILKINSON
---- MR
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
WILKINSON
---- MRS
-
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
WILKINSON
HENRY
21
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
417
WILKINSON
JOHN
9
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
WILKINSON
MARY
5
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
WILKINSON
RICHD
I
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425
WILKINSON
SUSAN
3
MAR
1841
NEPTUNE
2
425







Family Name Given Name Age Month Year Ship Book Page
SALTER JAS MR MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 425
SALTER SARAH MISS MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 425
SALTER WM 15 MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 425
SALTER JAS 14 MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 425
SALTER MARY 13 MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 425 8 children
SALTER MATILDA 11 MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 425
SALTER JOHN 10 MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 425
SALTER GEORGE 7 MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 425
SALTER MARIA 3 MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 425
SALTER EDWD I MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 425


Family Name Given Name Age Occupation Religion Native Place
STANHART CHRISTIANA 30 CARPENTER PROTESTANT CORK
STANHART GEO 26 HOUSEMAID PROTESTANT CORK

Bounty Read or Write
19 BOTH
19 BOTH Stannard

Family Name Given Name Age Occupation Religion Native Place
ELLIS STEPHEN 18 LABOURER PROTESTANT TIPPERARY

Bounty Read or Write
19 NIETHER Servant

Family Name Given Name Age Occupation Religion Native Place
STEWARD CATH 28 LABOURER PROTESTANT KILDARE
STEWARD CHARLES 28 SERVANT PROTESTANT KILDARE
STEWARD /STUART ARTHUR 5 SON PROTESTANT KILDARE
STEWARD /STUART MARY 14month DAUGHTER PROTESTANT KILDARE

Bounty Read or Write Remark
19 BOTH
19 BOTH
  1. BOTH PAID FOR
0 PAID FOR

Family Name Given Name Age Month Year Ship Book Page
WILKINSON MR MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 425
WILKINSON MRS MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 425
WILKINSON JOHN 9 MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 425
WILKINSON MARY 5 MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 425
WILKINSON SUSAN 3 MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 425
WILKINSON RICHD I MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 425


Also on the Neptune were the following people ,as I have said before they maybe cousins but haven’t researched that .None of these people went to New Zealand on the Sophia Pate with our group.


Family Name Given Name Age Month Year Ship Book Page
WILKINSON HENRY 21 MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 417
ELLIS CHAS 33 MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 407
ELLIS ELISHA 28 MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 407
ELLIS CHARLES 11 MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 407
ELLIS ANNITT 9 MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 407
ELLIS THOS 7 MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 407
ELLIS JOHN 5 MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 407


Although the passenger listings do not show George Stannard & wife, they do show a non-paying passenger & wife by the name of George Stanhart, whom are one and the same.
Also on board was John Wilkinsons brother in law, Charles Stuart, his wife Catharine & their 2 children, the children fares paid by their father. Charles and his wife were non-paying passengers. The childrens records on the voyage were also found under the name Steward






 
nept2
Archives office of NSW Colonial secretary
Vessel arrived
January to June 1841 C.C .D41


nept3
Archives office of NSW Colonial secretary
Vessel arrived
January to June 1841 C.C .D41





arrival Neptune
The Sydney Herald
April 19th 1841 monday
Arrived " Neptune" Sydney
The "Sophia Pate" from Sydney arrived Port Phillip

Shipping intelligence
Arrived
From Port Phillip Same day having left the 14th instant the ship Neptune, Captain Ferris with Sundries Passengers,
Mr Harpur
Mr Wetty
Mr Kinglake
Mr Smith
Mr and Mrs Salter and Ten children
Mr Blake
Mr Stannard
7 steerage and 43 emigrants

on the same article
The Sophia Pate from Sydney had arrived at Port Phillp



 
The Sydney Herald dated 19 April 1841 said that the Neptune left Port Phillip on the “14th instant” and arrived in Sydney the 19th “Same Day”
3 of the passengers Mr Harpur, Mr Wetty and Mr Smith must have got on the Neptune in Port Phillip as they were not on the Victoria state records but they were on the New South Wales State records


Arrived 28 Mar 1841, 611 tons Captain W James Ferris master, ship from London via Plymouth 12 Dec 1840 to Melbourne Images b 135-147, Agents Messrs Thomas Enscor & James
Passengers Mr and Mrs Buckland, 3 dau and 1 son, Mr and Mrs Garde and 2 chn, Madame Pelite and child, Messrs W and J Foster, Whittey, Duenlin/Duerden, Perrott and Dr Kinglake/Kinlake, 49 Paying - 17 adult males, 7 adult females, 13 children 7-15 and 12 chn under 7, 253 steerage under superintendance of Dr Brown. Deaths on the voyage - 1 child, births 1 male.
The Recapitulation is very neat - graphs trades and sex/status/age
Families have 3 Smiths, 3 Shepherds, 3 Carpenters and 28 Agricultural Labourers, equal numbers of male and female adults.
Children are grouped in their father's trade, 1 aged 15-18, 7m and 4f aged 7-15, 6m and 7f aged 1-7, 1m and 4f under a year, 104 souls, 1596 pounds Bounty
76 Single men - 67 agricultural labourers, 3 carpenters and 6 shepherds total 1444 pounds bounty
73 single women - 8 Dairymaids, 53 Housemaids, 7 Laundresses and 5 nurses - 1387 pounds Bounty
87 Protestants and 166 Roman Catholics, total 253. These figures do not include the other 57 names on the Victorian list.
Staff included - Doctor John Brown, Crew 1st Mate Thomas Cresey, 2nd Mate Alexander Mackay, 3rd Mate TJ Duggan.
Port Phillip Herald 9 Apr 1841 reports the Cargo included a Durham bull aged 18 months which was sold for 120 pounds, The imported cow was bought in by the owners for 6 pounds 10 shillings


From the passenger listing of those onboard, 51 were paying passengers and these included:-
Mr Wilkinson - hus (Cabin on to Sydney 43)
Mrs Wilkinson - wife of (Cabin on to Sydney 44)
John Wilkinson 9 son of Mr (Cabin on to Sydney 45)
Mary Wilkinson 5 dau of Mr (Cabin on to Sydney 46)
Susan Wilkinson 3 dau of Mr (Cabin on to Sydney 47)
Richard Wilkinson 0 son of Mr (Cabin on to Sydney 48)

James Salter Mr Father/Brother (Cabin and to Sydney 30)
Sarah Miss Salter - sister of James (Cabin and to Sydney 31)
William Salter 15 son of James (Cabin 32)
James Salter 14 son of James (Cabin 33)
Mary Salter 13 dau of James (Cabin 34)
Matilda Salter 11 son of James (Cabin 35)
John Salter 10 son of James (Cabin 36)
George Salter 7 son of James (Cabin 37)
Maria Salter 3 dau of James (Cabin 38)
Edward Salter 6 months son of James (Cabin 39)





 
tile3 7 11Australia Trove digitized newspapers http://trove.nla.gov.au
Reported from The Courier 9th April 1841 Hobart Tasmania.
”The Neptune- This ship has brought us 274 of Marshalls emigrants of a very useful class. They have all arrived in perfect health and the Doctor informed us that there has been no sickness on board during the voyage out: one infant died of some injury. The passengers all speak highly of the Captain and the Officers. The Neptune is a splendid vessel of 644 tons to register. When at Plymouth the immigrants engaged a violin player for the passage and every night dancing was kept up to a late hour on board. This is as it should be and would prevent any annoyances both of the commander and the passengers if every vessel would follow the example.
Verily the Neptuncs were a jolly set.
Port Phillip Herald, March 30.”



 
newspapers.nla.gov.au
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article2553102
The Sydney Gazette and New South Wales Advertiser Tuesday 20 April 1841
SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE
THUS WE HOPE TO PROSPER
ARRIVAlS.
From Port Phillip, same day, whence she sailed the
14th instant, the ship Neptune. Captain Ferris, with sun-
dries. Passeimers, Mr. Harpur, Mr. Wetty, Mr. King
luke, Mr. Smith, Mr. and Mrs. Salter and ten children.
Mr. Blake, Mr. Stannard, seven steerage passengers, and
forty-three emigrants.



 

Note Marshalls emigrants refers to the Captain, although from official documents the Captain on this voyage was Captain Ferris

Having arrived at Port Philip, the Neptune left on the 14th April and then sailed onto its destination port of Sydney arriving their on the 19th April 1841. According to the family history sheet, John Wilkinsons wife, Susannah burst a blood vessel whilst on board the Neptune in Sydney Harbour and died. She was buried in the Old Cemetery at Sydney, her death certificate reveals that she was 35 years of age, was buried on 23rd April 1841 and whose religion was that of Methodist.


I was confused to which cemetery Susannah Wilkinson was buried in .All I had to go by was Old Cemetery at Sydney written on the Family bible and most references showed one the Town Hall site as Old Burial Ground
This was originally where I thought she was buried but more research shows the following



Early cemeteries In Sydney included the Old Burial Ground established in 1792 at Cathedral Close now the site of Sydney Town Hall and the Devonshire Street Cemetery known as Sandhills or Old Sydney Burial Ground, which opened in 1819 and is now the site of Sydney Central Railway Station
Firstly I thought it was the Old Burial ground at the Town Hall site adjacent to St Andrews Church fronting George Street, with the back boundary parallel to George at the south end, with a corner cut off at Druitt Street. But this site was officially closed in 1820,a bit early for use. After closing this site a brick wall was constructed around the 4 acres and this is how it remained until the town councillors decided in 1868 to erect a Town Hall on the site.   The building was completed in 1889.
The other Cemetery was Devonshire Street Cemetery the main cemetery for Sydney from 1820 to 1888.   It was consecrated on 27 January 1820, by Rev. Samuel Marsden Like the Town Hall site The Devonshire Street cemetery was also a victim of progress In 1901 the NSW Government invited descendants and relatives of those interred at the Old Sydney Burial Ground to relocate the monuments and remains.   However, of the 30,156 remains in the cemetery, only 13,826 were known (16,330 unknown).  Many of the 5,000 monuments had already been removed to Rookwood (Haslam's Creek), South Head, Gore Hill and Waverley cemeteries before the turn of the century.  About 3,300 stones were relocated to Bunnerong Cemetery. The graves were removed in 1907 to make way for Sydney Central Railway Station after the Government decided to extend the railway from Redfern to its present site. A tunnel was driven from Devonshire Street to George Street, through the graves of pioneers buried in the cemetery Most (but possibly not all) of the bodies were exhumed and the bulk removed

This is the Cemetery where I think our Susannah Wilkinson was buried, I think she was in one of the unknown remains so her final resting place could be any of the above cemeteries






 

SUSANAH w1
Wesleyan Burials 1840 to 1844
Methodist church Burial Register Vol 108 Reg # 75
Index of Burials (old Records) Page 2543 Entry # 75 Vol # 108 Susannah Wilkinson aged 35 1841

I couldn’t find which church this Register was from .I found it at the NSW State Library


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MALCOLM3

Sydney Burial Ground 1819 –1901

Elizabeth and Devonshire streets and History of Sydneys early Cemeteries from 1788 By Keith A Johnson and Malcolm R Sainty












Susannah Stuart Death certificate 1
Susannah Stuart Death certificate 2
bdm-mail@agd.nsw.gov.au
Wilkinson Susannah V18411216 25B/1841
Wilkinson Susanah aged 35 V184175 108/1841 ***
Wilkinson Susan aged 35 V18413497 162B/1841 ***
Susanah Wilkinson aged 35 buried 23 april 1841
Minister William Schofield
Religion Wesleyan Methodist Church

I Have 2 of the Certificates but neither give me much information