Sophia Pate ( page two )

Page 2 starts with the group leaving Ireland on an adventure that would change all there lives. How many soles where there in the Group when they left Ireland on “Neptune”. The number Keeps changing ,most articles say 25 I have 23 .

I think most articles written after the Ship wreck used the following documents to verify there information but I also think parts of them are wrong

The next 4 documents (some of the documents are 3 or 4 pages each ) were all found in the Alexander Turnbull Library in Wellington New Zealand. They are part of a group of documents that make up the old land claim documents. These documents where all used as evidence in each of the 3 land claims put in by

James Salter claim disallowed

Dr Richard Day claim disallowed

and George Stannard who appeared before the commissioner but declined to pay the fee so there was no case granted
 but the documents help to confirm information  so I'm using them when I need to verify information I have or information from other sources

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In a letter held at Wellington Archives NZ written by Richard Day states, “In December 1840, the party consisting of twenty five individuals including servants and children sailed from Plymouth”

Also in the same document “Your memorialist being prevented by sickness from accompanying them”

 To look at a transcibed copy of this document go to

http://sophiapatenz.blogspot.com.au/p/how-many-in-group.html

This letter written by Dr Richard Day says there are 25 individuals but James Salter didnt bring his wife he came with a Miss Salter ,his sister not a Mrs Salter his wife and he only had 8 children not 10 and the “Neptune” passenger list confirmed this

The second part I have marked “Your memorialist being prevented by sickness from accompanying them” means owing to illness Richard Day was unable to accompany them, but he would come to New Zealand at a later date.

What property did the group take with them,they were leaving successful business and going to a remote British colony ,If it was me I would be taking everything

In addition to the group’s large amount of personal property, James Salter took out a considerable quantity of plate and John Stuart Wilkinson (senior) also had gold and a large amount of cash

All this had to be taken to New Zealand , some would have been brought in Ireland some in Sydney and some in New Zealand, also the group were devout Wesleyans who would start the settlement and by mutual co-operation find the means of starting a domestic, social and religious community in the expectation of being shortly followed by several more like-minded families. They had to make a Community , buildings, farms, roads churches ect . I haven’t found any records to say that the church helped with costs but they may have.

Firstly they needed all the things for the sale of the land so they would have to make sure from day one that they had all of these things not just hope they could get them on the way. Also they would need to bring with them enough food to last them the time it took to grow enough food. They could have picked up the food , cattle livestock ect from Sydney. Even though they brought with them Plate ,Gold and cash so they could buy some of the things they needed but they were going to a remote British colony , things would have been more expensive and if they needed something because of its remoteness it would have taken weeks to get something they needed. There was a timber industry in the area but it would all have to come by ship I don’t think there were that many roads

The Following Document helps to confirm that John Wilkinson (Senior) had cash and gold with him 

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OLC 744 23
In another letter held at Wellington Archives NZ, written by Richard Day MD it is reported that “I have also been impressed that Mr Wilkinson was urged by his friends to lodge his money in the Bank at Auckland but that he declined doing so and took the whole of it with him in the Sophia Pate and that the fact that his body not having been found is to be attributed to him having secured to his person a large amount of gold when he expected to have been put on shore in the long boat after the vessel struck , this conjecture is derived from circumstances stated by the surviving child.”

To look at a transcibed copy of this document go to

http://sophiapatenz.blogspot.com.au/p/what-property-did-group-take.html

Another document to help with finding out what they took or brought on the way. The good thing about these documents is they are first hand information from people that had something to do with the Shipwreck.

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OLC 744 34

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OLC 744 32

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Held at Wellington Archives NZ a letter by George Stannard he quotes

“When we left Sydney for New Zealand in the Brig Sophia Pate the late

Mr Wilkinson had all his property onboard in goods, cash and cattle. When we arrived at Auckland our long and unexpected delay there made it very expensive and indeed nigh impossible to procure food for the cattle on board In consequence of which Mr Wilkinson exchanged his, consisting of a cow & 3 heifers for a small building lot in Albert Street & Bull also in proprietory of which he was joined with Mr Slater was left in charge of Mr Croker of Auckland with a power to dispose of it for the benefit of the owners. With these exceptions the entire of Mr Wilkinsons property was lost in the wreck, at the time the Brig struck the passengers expected to be put ashore in the long boat and I learned from the lad saved that he saw his Father, his money the assignment obtained in Auckland and some of their papers on his person and as his body was not found these of course were irretrievably lost,”

To look at a transcibed copy of this document go to
 http://sophiapatenz.blogspot.com.au/p/what-property-did-group-take.html

  

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OLC 744 38

According to a letter dated 30th April 1841, held at Wellington Archives NZ & signed by Wilkinson, Salter & Stannard and sent to

The Honourable The Colonial Secretary concerning the land they were purchasing at Kaipara from the Native Chief Parore. They state

“Seeing by Sydney papers that a bill was in progress relating to New Zealand a clause of which required that claims should be lodged within a given period. We wrote to the Right Honourable the Secretary for the Colonies for advices and received his Lordship answer-bearing date 25^th November stating that his Lordship was not aware said bill had passed into law. We left Cork five days after and being on shipboard until 19^th inst. We had no opportunity of preferring our claims until the present period. We therefore humbly hope that the provision in the clause of said act which extends a longer day to persons out of the colony will be considered as applicable to our circumstances.”

To look at a transcibed copy of this document go to

 

We left Cork five days after (date referred to being 25th November 1840) and being on shipboard until 19th inst. (19th April 1841)

This help to date when the Neptune left Cork ie 30^th of November and arriving in Sydney the 19^th April 1841

According to information obtained from research, the Neptune left from Gravesend 29th November 1840 for Port Philip, calling at Plymouth. From the Wilkinson history sheet it appears that the group boarded the Neptune at Plymouth. But I would have thought that they left from Cork

Cork is situated on the Coast & its port has always been one of the main ports of Ireland. For all the gear that the families were bringing out it would make sense that they loaded it directly onto the Neptune at Cork.

I haven’t been able to find any records that they left Cork prier to getting on the Neptune and joined the ship at Plymouth

Interesting enough on a subsequent trip to Australia the Neptune commenced its voyage at Gravesend London, calling at Plymouth etc and then sailed onto Dublin & Cork then onto Port Philip Irish were the largest numbers of immigrants going to Australia, hence the reason why ships would call into Ireland after leaving England

My thinking is that they sailed from Cork Ireland not Plymouth England

 

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Lloyds Register of British and Foreign shipping

From 1^st july 1841 to the 30^th june 1842

Neptune was a ship

Master of the Neptune was Ferris

Tons 644

Built where Calcutta

Built when 1814

Owners was Mangl`s &

Belonging to London

Destined voyage London.Sydney

Agent was Agents Messrs Thomas Enscor & James

Iron Bolt sheathed with Marine Metal and Teak

This is all the information I have on the Neptune as the Lloyds Register is very hard to read

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Neptune 29 March 1841

www.records.nsw.gov.au

Public records office Victoria

www.prov.vic.gov.au
Index to Registers of Assisted British Immigrants 1839-1871

Family Name	First Name	Age	Month	Year	Ship	Book	Page
ASHMORE	HENRY	23	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	413
BAIS	JOHN	18	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	413
BEAHAN	HONORA	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	424
BEECH	AMELIA	20	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	407
BEECH	THOMAS	21	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	407
BEHAN	HONORA	27	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	419
BLAIR	MARIA	1	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	407
BLAIR	MARY ANN	24	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	407
BLAIR	WM	32	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	407
BLAKE	F W MR	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
BOLDWIN	CATH	25	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	407
BOLDWIN	JAMES	31	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	407
BOWEN	MARGT	18	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	419
BRIERIS	ANN	23	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	407
BRIERIS	THOS	25	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	407
BROWN	JOHN SURG SUPT	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	424
BUCKLAND	---- MRS	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
BUCKLAND	C MR	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
BUCKLAND	ELIZABETH MISS	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
BUCKLAND	HENRY MASTER	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
BUCKLAND	MARY	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
BUCKLAND	THEOPHIL	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
BULLEN	CATH	16	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	419
BULLEN	ELIZA	24	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	419
BURN	BRIDGET	22	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	407
BURN	ELLEN	17	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	419
BURN	JAMES	36	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	407
BURN	WM	1	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	407
BURROWS	MATHEW	25	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	413
CALLAGHAN	PHILIP	23	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	413
CAMPBELL	CATH	21	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	419
CARTY	BIDDY	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	424
CARTY	BIDDY	16	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	419
CASEY	THERESA	18	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	419
COCHLAN	DAVID	31	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	407
COCHLAN	ELLEN	1	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	407
COCHLAN	MARGT	22	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	407
COLLINS	JOHN	24	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	413
COLLINS	MATHEW	29	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	413
COLLINS	MICHL	18	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	413
COMB	EMMA	19	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	419
COMERFORD	JOHN	20	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	413
COMERFORD	WILLIAM	23	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	413
COMPTON	ALICE	24	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	407
COMPTON	GEORGE	21	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	413
COMPTON	JOHN	24	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	407
CONNELL	ELLEN	20	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	419
COUGHLIN	MARGT	25	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	419
COUSINS	RICHARD	22	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	413
COUSINS	WILLIAM	28	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	413
CRESEY	THOS CREW	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	424

Family Name	First Name	Age	Month	Year	Ship	Book	Page
CROGAN	CATH	17	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	419
CROWE	JERRY	24	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	413
CUMMERFORD	CATH	21	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	419
CURRAN	SUSAN	28	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	419
DALEY	THOS	28	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	415
DAVIS	MARYANN	18	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	419
DIVETT	CHAS	21	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	415
DONAGHOE	MARGT	21	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	419
DOUGHERTY	MARGT	27	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	419
DOUGHERTY	MARY	22	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	419
DUGGAN	T J CREW	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	424
DUNOYER	---- MR	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
DUNOYER	---- MRS	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
DUNOYER	ALBERT	5	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
DUNOYER	ALBERT	5	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	407
DUNOYER	CHARLOTTE	30	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	407
DUNOYER	FANNY	3	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	407
DUNOYER	FANNY	3	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
DUNOYER	JOHN	36	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	407
DURDIN	CHAS MR	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
DWYER	JOHN	20	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	415
DWYER	MARY	20	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	419
DWYER	PATRICK	21	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	415
EGAN	MARTIN	21	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	415
ELLIS	ANNITT	9	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	407
ELLIS	CHARLES	11	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	407
ELLIS	CHAS	33	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	407
ELLIS	ELISHA	28	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	407
ELLIS	JOHN	5	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	407
ELLIS	STEPHEN	18	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	415
ELLIS	THOS	7	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	407
ENGLISH	MICHL	23	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	415
FINAGAN	ARTHUR	20	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	415
FOLDER	THEOPHILUS	19	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	419
FOLEY	JOHN	25	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	415
FOSTER	JOHN MR	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
FOSTER	W L MR	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
FOX	---- FAMILY WITH	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	424
FOX	JOHN	7	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	407
FOX	MARY	6	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	407
FOX	MARY	28	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	407
FOX	RICHD	29	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	407
FOX	RICHD	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	424
FOYLAN	ESTHER	20	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	419
FOYLAN	MARY	22	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	419
FULTON	ELIZABETH	18	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	409
FULTON	WILLIAM	22	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	409
GALEPSY	ISABELLA	22	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	409
GALEPSY	JAS	23	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	409
GALLAGHER	MICHL	22	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	417
GAMBLE	JANE	16	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	419

Family Name	First Name	Age	Month	Year	Ship	Book	Page
GAMBLE	JANE	16	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	419
GANNON	ANN	26	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	409
GANNON	ESTHER	I	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	409
GANNON	JAS	27	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	409
GARD	---- MRS	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
GARD	ANN MISS	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
GARD	MARY MISS	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
GARD	WM MR	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
GEARON	MARY	20	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	419
GERMON	MARY	23	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	409
GERMON	WM	23	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	409
GLASS	HUGH	25	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	415
GLASS	JAMES P	23	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	415
GLYNNE	---- MR	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
GOVERS	MARIA	19	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	419
GUNNEY	JOHN	21	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	415
GURNEY	ANN	19	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	419
HAMMOND	HELEN	23	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	409
HAMMOND	JOSEPH	23	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	409
HAMMOND	MARY	1	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
HAMMOND	MARY	1	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	409
HANNON	ANN	19	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	419
HAROLD	ISABELLA	17	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	419
HARRISON	HENRY	25	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	415
HEFFERMAN	WINIFRED	20	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	419
HUGGINS	PAT	26	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	415
INGLIS	ELLEN	29	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	419
IRVINE	MARY	21	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	419
JAMIS	ALEX	25	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	415
JORDAN	JOHN	23	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	409
JORDAN	MARY	20	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	409
KEARLEY	ANN	27	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	421
KEARLEY	THOS	27	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	415
KEARNEY	SAML	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	424
KEARNEY	SAMUEL	22	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	415
KELLAGHAR	FANNY	20	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	419
KELLY	JAS	19	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	415
KENNY	JAMES	23	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	415
KERBY	CATHARINE	28	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	409
KERBY	FANNY	4	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	409
KERBY	MARY	9	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	409
KERBY	PETER	1	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	409
KERBY	THOS	7	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	409
KERBY	WILLIAM	32	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	409
KING	CATHARINE	I	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	409
KING	JOHN	26	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	409
KING	MARY	21	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	409
KINGLAKE	C W DR	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
LAMB	ANN	22	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	409
LAMB	WM	26	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	409
LANE	JAMES	25	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	415

Family Name	First Name	Age	Month	Year	Ship	Book	Page
LANE	JAMES	25	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	415
LANE	PATK	26	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	415
LANHAM	MARY	20	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	421
LARCIN	MARY	26	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	421
LARIME	ANN	21	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	421
LARIME	GEORGIANA	16	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	421
LARIMER	MARY JANE	19	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	421
LARRYMORE	C MRS	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
LARRYMORE	MARTIN HUGH	12	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
LUCK	ROBT	23	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	415
LYNCH	JULIA	20	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	421
MACKAY	ALEXR CREW	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	424
MADIGAN	JOHN	20	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	415
MADIGAN	MARY	18	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	421
MAGRAH	CATH	20	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	421
MAGRATH	JOHN	23	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	409
MAGRATH	JOHN	I	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	409
MAGRATH	MARY	22	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	409
MAGUIRE	THOS	24	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	415
MALONEY	MATHEW	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	424
MALONY	DANL	20	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	415
MALONY	DENIS	38	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	409
MALONY	HELENA	7	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	409
MALONY	JERRY	24	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	415
MALONY	MARY	38	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	409
MALONY	THOS	22	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	415
MANNOX	ANN	21	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	409
MANNOX	MARY	2	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	409
MANNOX	SAML	28	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	409
MARONY	MATHEW	19	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	415
MARTIN	CATH	20	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	421
MARTIN	JOHN	21	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	415
MATHEWS	ANN	19	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	421
MCARTY	JOHN	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	424
MCCARTHY	---- WIFE WITH	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	424
MCCARTHY	JOHN	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	424
MCCARTHY	JOHN	34	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	411
MCCARTHY	MARY	24	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	411
MCCARTY	---- WIFE WITH	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	424
MCCARTY	DENIS	19	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	415
MCCARTY	JOHN	28	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	411
MCCARTY	MARGT	25	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	411
MCCARTY	PATK	29	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	415
MCCASSELL	MARYANN	19	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	421
MCCREEVY	MARY	26	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	421
MCDIVOT	MARY	17	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	421
MCDURNOCK	MARGT	20	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	411
MCDURNOCK	PATK	28	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	411
MCFARLANE	SARAH	18	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	421
MCGRATH	---- INFANT WITH	I	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	424
MCGRATH	---- WIFE WITH	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	424

Family Name	First Name	Age	Month	Year	Ship	Book	Page
MCGRATH	---- WIFE WITH	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	424
MCGRATH	JOHN	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	424
MCLACHLAN	MICHL	26	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	417
MCNALLY	CATH	20	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	421
MCNAMARA	MARY	25	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	421
MCNAMARA	MICHL	24	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	417
MCNERNY	MICHL	25	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	417
MEAGHAN	CATH	18	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	421
MEAGHAR	ANN	22	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	421
MEAGHER	BRIDGET	20	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	421
MEIGHAN	MARY	22	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	421
MILLER	DAVID	1	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	411
MILLER	MARY JANE	21	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	411
MILLER	WILLIAM	23	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	411
MILLIGAN	CATH	17	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	421
MILLIGAN	GEORGE	24	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	415
MOLLONY	MATHEW	28	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	415
MOLONE	MARY	20	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	421
MOLONY	MARIA	15	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	421
MORONY	JOHN	21	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	417
MORONY	JUDY	21	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	421
MORONY	MARGT	17	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	421
MORRISON	JOHN	20	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	415
MULCREAVY	MARTIN	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	424
MULCREEVY	MARTIN	20	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	417
MULHUE	PATK	23	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	417
MULLAN	CATH	17	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	421
MULLUIS	JOHN	21	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	417
MULVAHIL	MARY	26	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	411
MULVAHIL	PATK	24	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	411
MUNNYMAN	BIDDY	20	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	411
MUNNYMAN	GEORGE	22	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	411
MURRY	VERE	22	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	417
MYRRATT	ELIZABETH	25	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	411
MYRRATT	ROBERT	30	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	411
OBRIEN	CATH	20	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	421
OBRIEN	MICHL	22	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	417
ORR	MARY	27	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	411
ORR	WILLIAM	27	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	411
PELET	---- MADAME	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
PELET	---- MISS	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
PERROTT	THOS MR	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
PHYLAN	JAMES	21	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	417
POWALL	ANN	20	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	421
POWELL	CARMAR	38	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	411
POWELL	CORNELIUS	19	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	417
POWELL	DENIS	11	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	411
POWELL	ELLEN	30	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	411
POWELL	JOHN	18	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	417
POWELL	MARGT	I	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	411
POWELL	MARIA	6	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	411

Family Name	First Name	Age	Month	Year	Ship	Book	Page
POWELL	MARIA	6	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	411
POWELL	MARTIN	3	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	411
POWELL	MICHL	15	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	411
POWELL	PATK	13	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	411
POWER	JOHN	23	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	417
QUINN	BARTHOL	22	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	417
QUINN	JOHN	27	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	417
RAINBOW	HY	19	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	417
REGAN	MARY	20	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	421
RHYAN	JOHN	18	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	417
RILEY	BERNARD	24	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	411
RILEY	MARIA	20	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	411
ROSSITER	THOS	20	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	417
RUTH	PATRICK	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
RYAM	BRIDGET	19	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	423
RYAM	MARGT	25	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	421
RYAM	MARGT	20	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	421
RYAM	MARY	24	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	421
RYAN	---- CHILDREN WITH	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	424
RYAN	---- SON WITH	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	424
RYAN	---- WIFE WITH	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	424
RYAN	---- WIFE WITH	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	424
RYAN	CATHARINE	20	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	411
RYAN	CORNELIUS	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	424
RYAN	CORNELIUS	24	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	411
RYAN	JAMES	3	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	411
RYAN	JAS	3	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
RYAN	JOHANNA	25	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	411
RYAN	JOHN	4	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	413
RYAN	JOHN	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	424
RYAN	JOHN	29	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	413
RYAN	MARY	7	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	413
RYAN	MARY	29	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	413
RYAN	MATHEW	26	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	411
RYAN	RODY	9	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	413
SALTER	EDWD	I	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
SALTER	GEORGE	7	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
SALTER	JAS	14	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
SALTER	JAS MR	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
SALTER	JOHN	10	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
SALTER	MARIA	3	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
SALTER	MARY	13	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
SALTER	MATILDA	11	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
SALTER	SARAH MISS	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
SALTER	WM	15	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
SEYMORE	WM	24	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	417
SHEA	MARY	25	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	423
SHEEDY	NORA	23	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	423
SHEEDY	PATK	22	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	417
SHIELD	JAS THOS	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
STANHART	CHRISTIANA	30	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	413

Family Name	First Name	Age	Month	Year	Ship	Book	Page
STANHART	CHRISTIANA	30	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	413
STANHART	GEO	26	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	413
STAPLETON	PATK	22	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	417
STAYSAY	THOS	20	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	417
STEWARD	ARTHUR	5	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	413
STEWARD	CATH	28	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	413
STEWARD	CHARLES	28	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	413
STEWARD	MARY	1	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	413
STOKES	ANN	25	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	423
STUART	ARTHUR	5	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
STUART	MARY	1	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
SWAN	CATH	20	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	423
SWEENY	DANL	24	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	417
TAYLOR	WM	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
TOUGHY	MICHL	22	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	417
TUCKER	---- CHILDREN WITH	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	424
TUCKER	---- WIFE WITH	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	424
TUCKER	JOSEPH	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	424
TUCKER	JOSEPH	26	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	413
TUCKER	MARTHA	I	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	413
TUCKER	MARY	2	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	413
TUCKER	SUSAN	28	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	413
WEBB	JOHN	27	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	417
WEBB	JOHN	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	424
WEBSTER	SAMUEL	28	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	417
WHEELAN	HUGH	22	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	417
WHITLY	HARRY MR	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
WHITNEY	ANN	16	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	423
WIGGINS	ELIZABETH	19	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	423
WIGGINS	MARY	20	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	423
WILKINSON	---- MR	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
WILKINSON	---- MRS	-	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
WILKINSON	HENRY	21	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	417
WILKINSON	JOHN	9	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
WILKINSON	MARY	5	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
WILKINSON	RICHD	I	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425
WILKINSON	SUSAN	3	MAR	1841	NEPTUNE	2	425

Family Name Given Name Age Month Year Ship Book Page

SALTER JAS MR MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 425

SALTER SARAH MISS MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 425

SALTER WM 15 MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 425

SALTER JAS 14 MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 425

SALTER MARY 13 MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 425 8 children

SALTER MATILDA 11 MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 425

SALTER JOHN 10 MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 425

SALTER GEORGE 7 MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 425

SALTER MARIA 3 MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 425

SALTER EDWD I MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 425

Family Name Given Name Age Occupation Religion Native Place

STANHART CHRISTIANA 30 CARPENTER PROTESTANT CORK

STANHART GEO 26 HOUSEMAID PROTESTANT CORK

Bounty Read or Write

19 BOTH

19 BOTH Stannard

Family Name Given Name Age Occupation Religion Native Place

ELLIS STEPHEN 18 LABOURER PROTESTANT TIPPERARY

Bounty Read or Write

19 NIETHER Servant

Family Name Given Name Age Occupation Religion Native Place

STEWARD CATH 28 LABOURER PROTESTANT KILDARE

STEWARD CHARLES 28 SERVANT PROTESTANT KILDARE

STEWARD /STUART ARTHUR 5 SON PROTESTANT KILDARE

STEWARD /STUART MARY 14month DAUGHTER PROTESTANT KILDARE

Bounty Read or Write Remark

19 BOTH

19 BOTH

0. BOTH PAID FOR

0 PAID FOR

Family Name Given Name Age Month Year Ship Book Page

WILKINSON MR MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 425

WILKINSON MRS MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 425

WILKINSON JOHN 9 MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 425

WILKINSON MARY 5 MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 425

WILKINSON SUSAN 3 MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 425

WILKINSON RICHD I MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 425

Also on the Neptune were the following people ,as I have said before they maybe cousins but haven’t researched that .None of these people went to New Zealand on the Sophia Pate with our group.

Family Name Given Name Age Month Year Ship Book Page

WILKINSON HENRY 21 MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 417

ELLIS CHAS 33 MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 407

ELLIS ELISHA 28 MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 407

ELLIS CHARLES 11 MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 407

ELLIS ANNITT 9 MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 407

ELLIS THOS 7 MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 407

ELLIS JOHN 5 MAR 1841 NEPTUNE 2 407

Although the passenger listings do not show George Stannard & wife, they do show a non-paying passenger & wife by the name of George Stanhart, whom are one and the same.
Also on board was John Wilkinsons brother in law, Charles Stuart, his wife Catharine & their 2 children, the children fares paid by their father. Charles and his wife were non-paying passengers. The childrens records on the voyage were also found under the name Steward

 

nept2

Archives office of NSW Colonial secretary

Vessel arrived

January to June 1841 C.C .D41

nept3

Archives office of NSW Colonial secretary

Vessel arrived

January to June 1841 C.C .D41

arrival Neptune

The Sydney Herald

April 19th 1841 monday

Arrived " Neptune" Sydney

The "Sophia Pate" from Sydney arrived Port Phillip

Shipping intelligence

Arrived

From Port Phillip Same day having left the 14^th instant the ship Neptune, Captain Ferris with Sundries Passengers,

Mr Harpur

Mr Wetty

Mr Kinglake

Mr Smith

Mr and Mrs Salter and Ten children

Mr Blake

Mr Stannard

7 steerage and 43 emigrants

on the same article

The Sophia Pate from Sydney had arrived at Port Phillp

 

The Sydney Herald dated 19 April 1841 said that the Neptune left Port Phillip on the “14^th instant” and arrived in Sydney the 19^th “Same Day”

3 of the passengers Mr Harpur, Mr Wetty and Mr Smith must have got on the Neptune in Port Phillip as they were not on the Victoria state records but they were on the New South Wales State records

Arrived 28 Mar 1841, 611 tons Captain W James Ferris master, ship from London via Plymouth 12 Dec 1840 to Melbourne Images b 135-147, Agents Messrs Thomas Enscor & James
Passengers Mr and Mrs Buckland, 3 dau and 1 son, Mr and Mrs Garde and 2 chn, Madame Pelite and child, Messrs W and J Foster, Whittey, Duenlin/Duerden, Perrott and Dr Kinglake/Kinlake, 49 Paying - 17 adult males, 7 adult females, 13 children 7-15 and 12 chn under 7, 253 steerage under superintendance of Dr Brown. Deaths on the voyage - 1 child, births 1 male.
The Recapitulation is very neat - graphs trades and sex/status/age
Families have 3 Smiths, 3 Shepherds, 3 Carpenters and 28 Agricultural Labourers, equal numbers of male and female adults.
Children are grouped in their father's trade, 1 aged 15-18, 7m and 4f aged 7-15, 6m and 7f aged 1-7, 1m and 4f under a year, 104 souls, 1596 pounds Bounty
76 Single men - 67 agricultural labourers, 3 carpenters and 6 shepherds total 1444 pounds bounty
73 single women - 8 Dairymaids, 53 Housemaids, 7 Laundresses and 5 nurses - 1387 pounds Bounty
87 Protestants and 166 Roman Catholics, total 253. These figures do not include the other 57 names on the Victorian list.
Staff included - Doctor John Brown, Crew 1st Mate Thomas Cresey, 2nd Mate Alexander Mackay, 3rd Mate TJ Duggan.
Port Phillip Herald 9 Apr 1841 reports the Cargo included a Durham bull aged 18 months which was sold for 120 pounds, The imported cow was bought in by the owners for 6 pounds 10 shillings

From the passenger listing of those onboard, 51 were paying passengers and these included:-
Mr Wilkinson - hus (Cabin on to Sydney 43)
Mrs Wilkinson - wife of (Cabin on to Sydney 44)
John Wilkinson 9 son of Mr (Cabin on to Sydney 45)
Mary Wilkinson 5 dau of Mr (Cabin on to Sydney 46)
Susan Wilkinson 3 dau of Mr (Cabin on to Sydney 47)
Richard Wilkinson 0 son of Mr (Cabin on to Sydney 48)

James Salter Mr Father/Brother (Cabin and to Sydney 30)
Sarah Miss Salter - sister of James (Cabin and to Sydney 31)
William Salter 15 son of James (Cabin 32)
James Salter 14 son of James (Cabin 33)
Mary Salter 13 dau of James (Cabin 34)
Matilda Salter 11 son of James (Cabin 35)
John Salter 10 son of James (Cabin 36)
George Salter 7 son of James (Cabin 37)
Maria Salter 3 dau of James (Cabin 38)
Edward Salter 6 months son of James (Cabin 39)

 

tile3 7 11Australia Trove digitized newspapers http://trove.nla.gov.au

Reported from The Courier 9th April 1841 Hobart Tasmania.
”The Neptune- This ship has brought us 274 of Marshalls emigrants of a very useful class. They have all arrived in perfect health and the Doctor informed us that there has been no sickness on board during the voyage out: one infant died of some injury. The passengers all speak highly of the Captain and the Officers. The Neptune is a splendid vessel of 644 tons to register. When at Plymouth the immigrants engaged a violin player for the passage and every night dancing was kept up to a late hour on board. This is as it should be and would prevent any annoyances both of the commander and the passengers if every vessel would follow the example.Verily the Neptuncs were a jolly set.

Port Phillip Herald, March 30.”

 

newspapers.nla.gov.au

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article2553102

The Sydney Gazette and New South Wales Advertiser Tuesday 20 April 1841

SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE

THUS WE HOPE TO PROSPER

ARRIVAlS.

From Port Phillip, same day, whence she sailed the
14th instant, the ship Neptune. Captain Ferris, with sun-
dries. Passeimers, Mr. Harpur, Mr. Wetty, Mr. King

luke, Mr. Smith, Mr. and Mrs. Salter and ten children.
Mr. Blake, Mr. Stannard, seven steerage passengers, and
forty-three emigrants.

 

Note Marshalls emigrants refers to the Captain, although from official documents the Captain on this voyage was Captain Ferris
Having arrived at Port Philip, the Neptune left on the 14th April and then sailed onto its destination port of Sydney arriving their on the 19th April 1841. According to the family history sheet, John Wilkinsons wife, Susannah burst a blood vessel whilst on board the Neptune in Sydney Harbour and died. She was buried in the Old Cemetery at Sydney, her death certificate reveals that she was 35 years of age, was buried on 23rd April 1841 and whose religion was that of Methodist.

I was confused to which cemetery Susannah Wilkinson was buried in .All I had to go by was Old Cemetery at Sydney written on the Family bible and most references showed one the Town Hall site as Old Burial Ground

This was originally where I thought she was buried but more research shows the following

Early cemeteries In Sydney included the Old Burial Ground established in 1792 at Cathedral Close now the site of Sydney Town Hall and the Devonshire Street Cemetery known as Sandhills or Old Sydney Burial Ground, which opened in 1819 and is now the site of Sydney Central Railway Station

Firstly I thought it was the Old Burial ground at the Town Hall site adjacent to St Andrews Church fronting George Street, with the back boundary parallel to George at the south end, with a corner cut off at Druitt Street. But this site was officially closed in 1820,a bit early for use. After closing this site a brick wall was constructed around the 4 acres and this is how it remained until the town councillors decided in 1868 to erect a Town Hall on the site.   The building was completed in 1889.

The other Cemetery was Devonshire Street Cemetery the main cemetery for Sydney from 1820 to 1888.   It was consecrated on 27 January 1820, by Rev. Samuel Marsden Like the Town Hall site The Devonshire Street cemetery was also a victim of progress In 1901 the NSW Government invited descendants and relatives of those interred at the Old Sydney Burial Ground to relocate the monuments and remains.   However, of the 30,156 remains in the cemetery, only 13,826 were known (16,330 unknown).  Many of the 5,000 monuments had already been removed to Rookwood (Haslam's Creek), South Head, Gore Hill and Waverley cemeteries before the turn of the century.  About 3,300 stones were relocated to Bunnerong Cemetery. The graves were removed in 1907 to make way for Sydney Central Railway Station after the Government decided to extend the railway from Redfern to its present site. A tunnel was driven from Devonshire Street to George Street, through the graves of pioneers buried in the cemetery Most (but possibly not all) of the bodies were exhumed and the bulk removed

This is the Cemetery where I think our Susannah Wilkinson was buried, I think she was in one of the unknown remains so her final resting place could be any of the above cemeteries

 

SUSANAH w1

Wesleyan Burials 1840 to 1844

Methodist church Burial Register Vol 108 Reg # 75

Index of Burials (old Records) Page 2543 Entry # 75 Vol # 108 Susannah Wilkinson aged 35 1841

I couldn’t find which church this Register was from .I found it at the NSW State Library

22

 

MALCOLM3

Sydney Burial Ground 1819 –1901

Elizabeth and Devonshire streets and History of Sydneys early Cemeteries from 1788 By Keith A Johnson and Malcolm R Sainty

Susannah Stuart Death certificate 1

Susannah Stuart Death certificate 2

bdm-mail@agd.nsw.gov.au

Wilkinson Susannah V18411216 25B/1841

Wilkinson Susanah aged 35 V184175 108/1841 ***

Wilkinson Susan aged 35 V18413497 162B/1841 ***

Susanah Wilkinson aged 35 buried 23 april 1841

Minister William Schofield

Religion Wesleyan Methodist Church

I Have 2 of the Certificates but neither give me much information